Case No: 2001/1089/X4
2001/1090/X4
2001/1091/X4
Neutral Citation No: [2003] EWCA Crim 3713
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF JUDICATURE
COURT OF APPEAL (CRIMINAL DIVISION)
Royal Courts of Justice
Strand, London, WC2A 2LL
Date: 18th December 2003
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LORD JUSTICE AULD
MR JUSTICE AIKENS
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MR JUSTICE GRIGSON
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William Boyce QC and Steven John represented the Crown
Joel Bennathan represented Bodrul MIAH
Matthew Ryder represented Basharath MIAH
Ian Bourne and James Buchanan represented Avinash AUBEELACK
Hearing dates : 3rd and 17th October
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The participants in the violent incident on 13 September 1999 were all students at Southgate College. On 9 September 1999 there had been some argument just outside the college between two students. One of them was Mohammed Abdullahi, who was part of a group of students at the college who were of Somalian origin. The other man was an Indian youth, said by the Crown to have been Aubeelack.
On Count 1, the Crown alleged that Bodrul, acting jointly with Reid, was responsible for Abdul Osman’s death. The Crown alleged that the knife used to inflict the fatal blow had been passed by Reid to Bodrul. On Count 2 the Crown alleged that Bodrul and Aubeelack had acted jointly in attempting to wound Mustafa Osman with intent. The Crown accepted that it was not clear on the evidence whether Bodrul or Aubeelack had stabbed Mustafa. But it contended that they had been involved in a joint enterprise. That is why they were both charged with attempted wounding with intent. On Count 5 the Crown alleged that Basharath had procured the counter signature on Bodrul’s passport application form and had procured his airline ticket with the intent of removing Bodrul from the jurisdiction when he (Basharath) knew that there was an investigation concerning the events of 13 September and that Bodrul was implicated.
None of the three appellants gave evidence at the trial. The case advanced on behalf of Bodrul was that he did not stab either Abdul or Mustafa Osman. Consistently with this case, in interview Bodrul had said that he had not stabbed Abdul Osman in self – defence, nor had he done so whilst provoked. That stance was maintained during the body of the trial. However, in her closing address Bodrul’s leading counsel, Miss Vera Barid QC, relied on both self – defence and provocation as alternatives to his principal case. Aubeelack’s case was that he was not involved at all in either the stabbing of Abdul Osman or the attempted wounding of Mustafa Osman. Basharath’s case was that he knew nothing of his son’s involvement in the violent events of 13 September 1999.
There were four applications that are relevant to the current appeals. First, on 20 October 2000 and before the trial started, the Crown had applied to join Count 5, against Basharath, to the principal Indictment. That application was opposed, but the judge permitted it. Secondly, counsel for Basharath then applied to sever the trial of Basharath. The basis for this application was that Bodrul had said in interview that he had not told his father anything about the incident on 13 September and his father did not know of it; moreover, at that stage in the trial it seemed unlikely that Bodrul would give evidence and he could not be compelled to give evidence at a joint trial with his father. Therefore justice required that Basharath should have a separate trial so that he would have the opportunity to call his son, Bodrul, to give evidence to the same effect as his statement in interview. The judge rejected that application to sever in the same ruling in which he dealt with joinder. The third relevant application was a renewed submission by counsel for Basharath, made on 12 December at the conclusion of the Crown’s case, to sever the trial of Basharath. That application was made after Bodrul’s counsel had announced that his client would not give evidence. The renewed application to sever was rejected. Fourthly, counsel for Aubeelack submitted at the close of the prosecution case that there was no case to go to the jury against Aubeelack on Count 2. The judge rejected that submission.
The structure of the judge’s summing up in relation the case against Bodrul on Count 1 and so far as it affects Bodrul’s appeal is as follows: first the judge explained to the jury the elements of the offence of murder: vol I pages 8G to 12A. Secondly he dealt with self – defence: vol I pages 12B to 13E; 16F to 20A; vol II pages 2E to 3B. Next he dealt with intent to kill or cause serious injury and the consequence of the jury not being sure that there was the requisite intent to kill or cause serious injury: vol II pages 3F to 5E. The judge then gave directions on provocation: vol II pages 5F to 11B. The judge had told counsel before he started his summing – up that if they wished to raise any issues concerning his directions, then he would consider those at a convenient break in the summing up. Various aspects of his directions on provocation were raised by leading counsel for Bodrul and were considered by the judge at vol II pages 47C to 50C. The judge gave directions on the effect of lies by Bodrul in interview at vol III page 17D to 20D. There was discussion on the judge’s direction on the effect of lies in relation to whether and if so how they could be relevant to the issue of provocation: vol III page 26 E-G. The judge gave a short further direction on how the jury must be careful to decide whether a lie had been stated in relation to a particular offence before the jury could consider whether it could be used against a defendant or not: vol III page 30B – D. The judge reminded the jury of Bodrul’s answers in interview and in particular his account of what happened immediately before Abdul Osman was stabbed: vol V pages 116 to 121 and pages 129 to 130. As the judge reminded the jury, in interview Bodrul denied that he was acting in self – defence and he said that he was not acting under provocation. There was further discussion between the judge and Mr Bennathan on whether a further direction should be given to the jury on the effect of Bodrul’s denial in interview that he acted in self – defence or that he was provoked to stab Abdul Osman, because Bodrul stated throughout interview that he had not stabbed Abdul Osman at all. The judge declined to give any further direction: Vol V page 148H to 151 A.
Originally Bodrul’s Grounds of Appeal raised a large number of issues. Having considered Mr Bennathan’s submissions on 3 October, we gave leave to appeal on three issues only. These all involve criticisms of the judge’s summing up. The points are: (1) that the judge failed to explain his directions on the law of provocation by reference to the particular facts of this case; (2) that, in giving directions on the law relating to provocation, the judge did not give a proper direction on how to consider the "characteristics" of Bodrul when considering whether he lost his self control and stabbed Abdul Osman, or whether his action in stabbing Abdul Osman was reasonable in the circumstances; and (3) the judge did not give a proper direction on the effect of lies made by Bodrul to the police, at the stage when the jury had to consider the issue of provocation, as opposed to a prior stage when the jury would have been considering whether Bodrul had committed the unlawful act of stabbing Abdul.
The law on provocation, which is often described as "a concession to human frailty", is governed by section 3 of the Homicide Act 1957. That provides:
"Where on a charge of murder there is evidence on which the jury can find that the person charged was provoked (whether by things done or by things said or by both together) to lose his self-control, the question whether the provocation was enough to make a reasonable man do as he did shall be left to be determined by the jury; and in determining that question the jury shall take into account everything both done and said according to the effect which, in their opinion, it would have on a reasonable man."
In R v Smith (Morgan) [2001] 1 AC 146 the House of Lords had to consider the proper construction of section 3. We shall have to analyse that decision in some detail in relation to Ground (2). On Ground (1)), we accept Mr Bennathan’s first submission that in a case where the judge must, as a matter of law, leave an issue of provocation to the jury, he must indicate to it, unless it is obvious, what evidence might support the conclusion that the defendant had lost his self control as a result of things done or said. This is because if this guidance is not given, the jury will find it difficult to answer the two questions that it has to consider, that is: did the defendant lose his self – control as a result of things done or said and, more particularly, whether (in the words of section 3) a "reasonable man" would have been so provoked by those things: See eg: R v Stewart [1995] 4 All ER 999 at 1006 per Stuart – Smith LJ. We also accept Mr Bennathan’s second submission that it is particularly important for the judge to set out the evidence that is possibly relevant to his directions on the law of provocation when the case is complex and other defences, (such as self – defence), have been raised on behalf of the defendant and they also have to be considered by the jury.
"The point I am making now is that for provocation to exist it requires the defendant whose case you are considering to have lost his self control at the time he acted in the way I have just mentioned, at the time he participated.
Of course, these issues are entirely matters for the Jury. It must be that something must have caused him to lose his self-control. That is something done, or something said, or a combination of both by the deceased, or indeed anyone else prior to the killing in the case of Bodrul Miah or the handing over of the knife in the case of Ryan Reid. In their separate and different cases there are different times to consider in the events as they happened. The spraying of C.S. gas is an obvious possible example. I take that simply as an example, as would, of course, be the use of force, or even threatened force. I am not going to go through it all, as I have said and I summarize it, something done or said, or both by the deceased or anyone else, but just on this point of the C.S. gas, for instance, that would seem not to apply in the case of Ryan Reid in any event, because of the evidence the gas was sprayed after the knife was handed over, if handed over it was. Abuse would be another example. I have said things [were] said: "Back off pussy holes" by Mr. Osman, for instance. I simply take that as another possible example of something said on the evidence in the presence of both defendants or, as I say, of blows struck, so long, of course as the events, the something done or said preceded the use of the knife in Bodrul Miah’s case, or the handing over of the knife in Ryan Reid’s case. Do not think what I have just said is in any sense an exhaustive list. It is entirely a matter for the Jury. It is not a matter for the judge".
As we have stated, the law of provocation is governed by section 3 of he Homicide Act 1957. The proper construction of that section was considered by the House of Lords in Smith (Morgan) [2001] 1AC 146. The House of Lords decided (by a majority) that, on the proper construction of section 3, when a jury is left to consider a defence of provocation, it has to consider two issues. First the jury must decide whether, on the facts it finds, the defendant was provoked by things either said or done to lose his self – control and so to commit homicide. In considering whether the words or conduct concerned caused the defendant to lose his (or her) self control, the jury has to bear in mind all the characteristics of the defendant that might be relevant to whether he (or she) lost self – control. These characteristics will include not only age and sex, but also any other aspects of the physical or mental make – up of the defendant, whether permanent or temporary.
"there was some characteristic of the accused, whether temporary or permanent, which affected the degree of control which society could reasonably have expected of him and which it would be unjust not to take into account. If the jury take this view, they are at liberty to give effect to it". (Page 173 – 4).
"[Provocation] has a special meaning in law and the meaning can be divided up into two parts. The first part is this: it requires that the defendant whose case you are considering acted whilst he had lost his self-control, but acted – I mean in the case of Bodrul Miah – at the time he delivered the blow. Did he, or may he have delivered that blow and, thereby, killed Abdul Osman whilst he had lost his self control? In the case of Ryan Reid the allegation is that he participated in the killing by handing the knife to Bodrul Miah and more of that later, of course, but on this question of provocation the question in Ryan Reid’s case is: had he, or may he have, lost his self control at the time he did the act, if you decide that he did, namely handing over the knife to Bodrul Miah, if that is what he did? The point I am making now is that for provocation to exist it requires the defendant whose case you are considering to have lost his self control at the time he acted in the way I have just mentioned, at the time he participated.
Of course, these issues are entirely matters for the Jury. It must be that something must have caused him to lose his self-control. That is something done, or something said, or a combination of both by the deceased, or indeed anyone else prior to the killing in the case of Bodrul Miah or the handing over of the knife in the case of Ryan Reid".
"If the answer to that[ie. that he had lost his self – control] is yes, you move on and consider the next question….
If you say, yes, well he did or may have lost his self-control, then you have to consider the next point and that is this: the mere fact that something caused the defendant to lose his self control… is not enough; the obvious and sensible reason for that is, because the law expects people to exercise control over their emotions; a violent disposition is a defect in character and not an excuse. It is for you the Jury to decide whether the circumstances were such as to make the loss of self-control – if that is so – sufficiently excusable – and this is for you – to reduce the gravity of the offence from the more serious offence of murder to the less serious offence of manslaughter. In deciding the point – in other words, what should count as a sufficient excuse – you have to have to apply what you the Jury consider to be the appropriate standards of society. On the one hand, there may be allowance for human behaviour and the power of emotions, but, on the other hand, not allowing someone to rely upon his own violent disposition, because in applying these standards of behaviour you the Jury represent the community. You decide what degree of self-control everyone is entitled to expect his fellow citizens to exercise in society today. Do you follow? In this case your fellow citizens the two men on trial in this regard, are young men, but the same standards of behaviour are expected of everyone irrespective of his or her psychological make up. There it is. Provocation only applies to count 1 and so in the case of each defendant charged; if you are considering this question of provocation and you decide that the defendant may have acted whilst he had lost his self-control, the next question is whether the circumstances were such to make the loss of self-control sufficiently excusable, in your judgment, to reduce the gravity of the offence from murder to manslaughter applying what you consider to be the appropriate standards of behaviour within society".
"In this case your fellow citizens the two men on trial in this regard, are young men, but the same standards of behaviour are expected of everyone irrespective of his or her psychological make up. There it is".
Mr. Bennathan submits that when the judge stated that the same standards of behavior are expected of everyone in society, he was effectively directing the jury that the particular "characteristics" of Bodrul – that he was a young man (and, although not stated, short also) were irrelevant to the jury’s consideration of the issue of provocation.
It is well established, since the Court of Appeal decision in R v Richens [1994] 98 Cr App R 43, that if the issue of provocation is left to the jury, then the judge will, if relevant, have to give a direction on the possible effect of any lies stated by the defendant to the police in relation to the issue of provocation. In that case a young man had killed another man who had allegedly raped his girlfriend. There was no issue as to who had committed the homicide. The sole issue was whether the act had been carried out under provocation. The defendant had told lies in relation to the killing. The trial judge had not directed the jury as to how they should, as a matter of law, regard the lies he admitted he had told about his movements and involvement. In effect the trial judge had invited the jury to consider those lies as potentially probative of the Crown’s case that this was murder rather than manslaughter by reason of provocation.
"The point is that the jury should be alerted to the fact that, before they can treat lies as tending towards the proof of guilt of the offence charged, they must be sure that there is not some possible explanation for the lies which destroys their potentially probative effect. Applying that concept to the present case, could the jury be sure that attempts to conceal the killing and lies were inconsistent with the appellant’s case that he had killed as a result of provocation and pointed to murder….."
"I had not spotted that point but I will adopt it. I think it must apply to…there [are] also dangers if one wanted to be over technical about when considering murder as against manslaughter that one deploys them there. But I think that will probably be subsumed within the sort of direction my learned friend, Miss O’Neill, has raised".
"….in relation to the direction I gave you about lies, remember when you are considering lies if you are holding a lie against somebody, remember that the defendants are all charged with more than one offence and for a lie to support the Crown’s case in relation to a particular offence as opposed to any other, you will need to be satisfied that the lie was told in relation to that offence. Do you follow? So I needed to say that to you as well".
"At page 590, some important questions you may think. He was saying, as you appreciate, that he did not strike out. Officer Osborn: "Let’s be absolutely clear then, what you are saying is that you acted in self defence? I want to be absolutely clear while we are interviewing you, you’re not saying that you acted in self – defence?" "I got attacked". Officer: I know what you said, and I agree with you that gas was produced by the Somalian boys and sprayed in your direction, I accept that. What I am saying to you is would you confirm for me – from what you have told me that you did not strike out any blow…" (inaudible) "I did not strike out no blows, I did not have no knife, I didn’t have time to protect myself". And then, as it were, on this question of provocation, the officer says: So you didn’t lose control, you didn’t take a knife from somebody, you didn’t take out a knife out on the street, didn’t stab anybody". "No all I was – I thought I was going to die on the floor. I never chased anybody".
At page 592, Officer: you haven’t been provoked and you weren’t acting under provocation"? "No". I reminded you that it is not a case where the defendant is saying that he was acting in self – defence nor is he saying he was provoked. But nonetheless, as I say, the Crown must prove that he was not acting in self – defence and they must disprove provocation. The burden does not shift although, as I said, you may take into account the fact that the defendant is not saying he acted in self – defence nor is he saying he was provoked. You consider all the relevant circumstances. Then various other questions, which I do not need to take up time now with; it is all there for your consideration. I have said that a number of times. I just have to try and be selective – well I am selective – and I try to put it to you in the round. But you know what his defence his, you know what he is saying. And I suppose one could refer finally to page 617, at the very bottom: "I did not stab no one, I didn’t know about no argument with happened with Avi on Thursday, and Dad did not know nothing about the attack I had on me"
"MR BENNATHAN: Your Lordship, in dealing with the end of Mr. Miah’s interview since lunch described questions from Mr. Osborn to Mr. Miah and Mr. Miah’s replies about self – defence and provocation as important questions. My Lord, can I simply ask your Lordship to consider whether in fact whether those questions are important or if the jury on the contrary, should be cautioned against placing much reliance on them for this reason.
JUDGE FORRESTER: Well, yes –
MR BENNATHAN: Sorry I interrupted you, my Lord.
JUDGE FORRESTER: No, no, you continue, I do not want to interrupt you.
MR BENNATHAN: I hope I can do it in two sentences. If the jury thought Mr. Miah was being truthful in those answers, which really amount to little more than it cannot be provocation or self – defence (inaudible) well then of course if they thought that even might be true, of course, they would acquit him outright of Count 1, on which I focus. If to the contrary the jury thought that assertion in that interview – in my respectful submission it amounts to little more than continuing to deny stabbing anyone – was not true and he had stabbed someone, well then my Lord one is then in the position of attempting to use lies to decide between murder and manslaughter, which in my respectful submission is so perilous it ought not really to be embarked upon. That is my submission.
JUDGE FORRESTER: I understand. I made it abundantly clear firstly, the burden remains on the Crown and I said the mere fact that he denies it is a factor that can take into account amongst all the others. That was intended to summarise the position, I hope accurately. Your point is so far so good, but I should not have described it as important.
MR BENNATHAN: I think my Lord my point could be taken slightly – I am sorry to raise a knotty problem at this stage. It is almost a matter they should be put to one side. Because if they accept the answers, he is not guilty altogether and if they do not accept the answers well then it is using lies by a man charged with murder to decide if he is guilty of murder or manslaughter.
JUDGE FORRESTER: I must say I had not looked at it that way.
MR BENNATHAN: Those are my submissions, my Lord. They are shortly made. I do not know whether –
JUDGE FORRESTER: Shall I see what Mr. Boyce thinks.
MR BOYCE: It is the Crown’s submission my Lord’s direction was unobjectionable. It is part of the picture the jury can take into account. The reality is at no stage during his accounts with the police has the defendant ever relied upon self – defence or provocation and then it is a matter for the jury.
JUDGE FORRESTER: Quite. That is certainly what I was intending to convey. I do not intend to return to the point".
The judge had a very difficult task in directing the jury in this case because of the huge number of issues, legal and factual, involved in the case. In our view it would have been better if the direction in relation to lies and provocation had been more directly dealt with. However there is no doubt that (i) the judge gave a very clear warning about the need for caution about drawing adverse conclusions from any of the alleged lies of Bodrul and they were clearly identified (vol III pages 16 to 20); (ii) the judge gave an unambiguous direction that the jury must be satisfied that the alleged lie was told in relation to the particular offence that the jury was considering (vol III page 30); (iii) in this case the Crown was not relying specifically on any of the alleged lies to disprove provocation; and (iv) the judge emphasised to the jury that Bodrul’s case (in interview and at the trial) was that he did not stab Abdul Osman at all, rather than he stabbed him in self defence or because provoked (vol V pages 129 – 130).
The single ground of appeal of Aubeelack is that the judge was wrong to reject the submission of no case to answer on Count 2 that was made at the end of the Crown’s case. Accordingly, it is submitted, it was wrong to leave the case against Aubeelack on Count 2 to the jury and so his conviction on that Count is unsafe.
Aubeelack accepted in interview that he was present at the second stage of the incident during which the activities against Mustafa Osman took place. But his case was that he did not participate at all and that he had left before the activities took place. Before the judge it was also accepted that Aubeelack was present at the time of the second stage of the incident; it was also accepted that there was a prima facie case of violent disorder against him. However it was submitted to the judge that there were two important facts that meant that the case against Aubeelack on Count 2 should be withdrawn from the jury. First, that three of the Somalian group had failed to identify Aubeelack in identification parades as being a person involved in the actions against Mustafa Osman. Secondly, that witnesses from the Somalian group had provided descriptions of the "new Asian/Indian boy" (alleged by the Crown to be Aubeelack) as wearing a distinctive red jacket. In fact it was clear from photographs taken of Aubeelack that he was wearing a dark blue jacket on both 13 September and also when there had been the argument with Abdullahi on the previous Thursday, ie. 9 September.
The judge gave his ruling on the submission of no case on 8 December 2000. He said that if the defence had been one of whether Aubeelack was present at all at the scene of the violent incident involving Count 2, then "without more, I very much doubt that this case would have been left to the jury". However, that was not Aubeelack’s case and there was more, in the judge’s view.
On behalf of Aubeelack, Mr Bourne put forward similar arguments to those advanced before the judge. He emphasised: (i) that Aubeelack’s case was, in effect, that he had left the scene at the time when Mustafa was stabbed, so his case was one of alibi; (ii) the evidence of the witnesses in the Somalian group was contradictory and, with the exception of Hassan, it was admitted that each of them had lied to the police about significant events on 13 September; (iii) Abdullahi’s evidence of how he jumped on one of the "Indian boys" and took possession of a knife he had and then returned it to him, was not supported by any other witnesses; however 12 other witnesses, none Somalian, saw Abdullahi with a knife; (iv) the Somalian witnesses were sure that the "new Asian/Indian boy" involved in the attack on Mustafa was wearing a red jacket, as it was said he had been doing the previous Thursday (ie. 9 September); but in fact Aubeelack was wearing a blue jacket on both occasions; (v) Aubeelack was not identified by three Somalians at identification parades. Mr Bourne submitted that, taken overall, the identification evidence relating to Aubeelack was poor and contradictory, so that, following R v Galbraith 73 Cr App R 124, and R v Turnbull [1977] QB 224, the judge should have withdrawn Count 2 (as against Aubeelack) from the jury at the close of the prosecution case.
For the Crown, Mr Boyce QC submitted that the judge’s approach and analysis in his ruling were correct. He submitted that the judge had properly directed himself on the law relating to a submission of no case to answer. Mr Boyce submitted that the judge correctly analysed the evidence and did not miss out any relevant aspects, nor give undue weight to any matter in reaching his decision to allow the case to go to the jury.
In our view neither the approach nor the analysis of the judge can be faulted. He specifically referred to both Galbraith and Turnbull. He was conscious that the key issue in relation to Aubeelack was whether there was sufficient cogent identification evidence marking him as one of the attackers of Mustafa Osman for the matter to go to the jury.
As we have already noted, after hearing argument we gave leave to appeal on the single ground that the judge erred in refusing to sever the trial of Basharath from the trial of the other defendants.
On behalf of Basharath, Mr Matthew Ryder accepts that on both occasions that the judge considered the question of severance of the trial of Basharath, the judge correctly identified section 5(3) of the Indictments Act 1915 as the source of his power to order a separate trial of Basharath. Mr Ryder also accepts that the judge had in mind the general principles laid down by the English law cases as to the exercise of the discretion to order a separate trial, in particular the decision of the House of Lords in Ludlow v Metropolitan Police Commissioner [1971] AC 29, especially the statement of Lord Pearson at page 41. There Lord Pearson emphasised that a judge has no duty to direct separate trials under section 5(3) "…unless in his opinion there is some special feature of the case that would make a joint trial of the several counts prejudicial or embarrassing to the accused and separate trials are required in the interests of justice".
Mr Boyce accepted that nowadays, bearing in mind the European case law, the Court of Appeal has to approach the exercise of a judicial discretion on the basis that it is necessary to subject it to "close and rigorous scrutiny": R v Hoey [2002] EWCA Crim 2644 at paragraph 21 per Rose LJ. But he also submitted that this did not mean that the discretion could be overturned any more easily. Mr Boyce accepted, of course, that if Bodrul did not wish to give evidence in his father’s defence at the trial in which Bodrul was also a defendant, he could not be compelled to do so.
We have subjected the judge’s exercise of discretion not to sever the trials to "close and rigorous scrutiny". Having done so, we agree with the submissions of Mr Boyce. In our view the judge was quite correct to conclude that the trial of Basharath should not be severed. We say so for the following reasons: (i) the charges against the son and the father do have the same foundation of fact, that is the events of 13 September 1999. The rule is that such charges should normally be tried together, unless there is some reason why justice requires separate trials. (ii) In this case there were particular actions and statements of father and son that the Crown claimed were relevant to the cases against each, such as Bodrul shaving his head, moustache and beard; Basharath procuring a signature for the passport application; Basharath procuring an airline ticket and the departure of Basharath to see off his son at Heathrow. Mr. Ryder submitted that these points could have been dealt with adequately in separate trials if there had been severance. That is no answer, in our view. There was a positive advantage in having a joint trial. It enabled the jury to see the whole picture, whereas separate trials might have produced a partial and possibly misleading picture at each trial. (iii) It is commonplace that where two co – accused are tried together, evidence from one accused might be of help to another, but that accused cannot be compelled to give evidence on behalf of the other. That, by itself, will rarely be a reason to have separate trials in view of the general policy to have joint trials of alleged offences said to arise out of the same foundation of facts. This is particularly so when, as here, the jury would not get the full picture if there had been separate trials. (iv) Although the jury in the joint trial would not hear Bodrul’s evidence in favour of his father (in view of his decision to remain silent at the trial), the jury would still know that Bodrul’s interview account was in his father’s favour. It could be (and was) directed by the judge that Bodrul could not be forced to give evidence in Basharath’s defence and that should count in Basharath’s favour. That would (and did) reduce any prejudice to him in not being able to call his son in the joint trial. (v) In all these circumstances there was no compelling reason why, in the interests of justice, there should be separate trials of the son and the father. Indeed we think that it would have been contrary to the interests of justice to have held separate trials, because of the factors referred to at (ii) above.